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| Author: | John Kinnaird [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:03 am ] |
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I need a great piece of European Spruce. I want it tight even grained, with good silking, and pretty stiff. I don't care if its Italian, or Carpathian, or Caucasian or mongolian or outer slobovian, just so it comes from somewhere Pices abies is native and it is a good piece of wood Anybody got anything like that for sale? John |
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| Author: | Colonial Tonwds [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:57 am ] |
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John, I have some old German spruce with bearclaw in it and quite a few very fine grained Caucasian spruce tops. Let me know if you're interested. Steve |
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| Author: | Dave-SKG [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:48 am ] |
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John, Steve just sent me some caucasian and some carpathian. Both were very very nice. THANKS STEVE! Steve can you send me a pic of the German spruce or is it up on your site. Thanks Again! |
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| Author: | John Kinnaird [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:23 pm ] |
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What's the difference beteween Carpathian and Caucasian? Are they both P. Abies? John |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:29 pm ] |
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John Carpathian is picea abies Caucasian is Picea orientalis |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:32 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=RussellR] John Carpathian is picea abies Caucasian is Picea orientalis[/QUOTE] Russell's right or at least that what many of the East European timber cutters claim. My information is that you can count the number of 'True' P. orientalis tops around on the fingers of maybe two hands. The guys at the Royal College of Music have been looking for a long time, but the Botany Department at the University have never yet found a recently cut sample of 'P.orientalis' to actually be P.orientalis, always it has turned out to be just P.abies. I have four tops that have proven to be P.orientalis, but they are very old, from Roumania before the war. one of these I've promised to Joshua, and another to the RCM. Colin |
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| Author: | John Kinnaird [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:00 pm ] |
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Thanks guys. I assume the P. orientalis' natural range is farther east than P. abies. How far east are we talking about? Is that eastern Europe or more east than that? |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:07 pm ] |
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John To the Best of my Knowledge (Colin has greater expertise than I on these matters) Eastern Europe and moving into Asia, around Turkey which is partly in Europe and partly in Asia, and I think into Iran. Russell |
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| Author: | Colin S [ Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:07 am ] |
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Again, Russell is right, the Caucasus mountains and Asia Minor (Turkey, Iran etc). It has been grown in other parts of Europe and Eastern USA for timber, but the rapid growth at lower levels makes it unusable as tonewood. It grows very rapidly between 10 and 50 years old making it fine for pulp, but only the old growth stock from the mountain areas is considered really suitable for instruments. Orientalis, simply means Eastern (as against occidentalis meaning Western). Colin |
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